White Horse
  Welcome to the first Motley Crue... as a tribute to the incredible journey of Mick Mars.
Listen to track samples

Original cuts from the never released  Whitehorse Studio Album with Mick.


 Places 2 Go 

 My Marie  

Original cuts from Raw Tapes of  Whitehorse live.

Sleaze Queen

Thinkin Bout U

Leavin it Behind

Live Cover Cuts with Mick playing screamin slide leads.

Trouble No More

Blowin Free

Ken Morse original recorded live by Vandetta with Mick Mars

Heart of Stone


The Band Disco Killed

 Where are the original members and what are they doing now.?

Don't quit your day job.

David is somewhere in L.A promoting music.

Kenny is retired near San Diego.

Harry builds pools north of L.A.

Visit Jack's current gig sites Action Video and The Flying Circus

See what he's been doing for the last 20yrs

To see Jack's former music project. (He  grew his own Band) Go to www.jjkas.com and  or Click below

Click below for JJKAS. band videoclips.

#1 Live 2002-Beutilfishin

 #2.Live @ The 2004 Baja Prog - Camel Snow Goose Finale



A new updated, corrected and revised edition of the full story in

paperback is now available for order at your favorite book store

or online at Amazon.com,   Search for "Motley Rock Stories" 


Click on the cover above to see addendum photographs for this book.


You can also order any of the concert photos I shot on this site.  8 x 12 glossys are only $10 a pop. Send me an email at the address on the Flying Circus link below to see more.


I have many more Yes, Genesis, Gentle Giant, The Who, Deep Purple, Queen, and others.




See the first upside down drummer
(Jack Valentine) As seen on  VH1
Driven Motley Crue. 
Click to view Mick Mars Segment

 See the first Mottley upsidedown drum show video...
 Click here

Windows Media Player 8megs running time 4.5 minutes

The original "Croo"
WhiteHorse's first name
was spelled "Mottley Croo"

This is where it all started for Mick Mars, Jack Valentine and the band...


See a RARE 15 minute segment from the 40 min interview Jack did with Mick in 1984.

Click Here

I always knew Mick as a friend and  a great guy. See a side of him nobody knows.

Little Known facts about the band:

The first Mottley gig was @ The Bath House, a Hell's Angel bar in Mission Beach Ca. sometime in early Sept of 1972. The band had no name at the time. There was  occasionally a stabbing on the dance floor.

Harry unknowingly named the band Mottley Croo in Ocean Beach California Fall of 1972. The band never officially voted on the name but used it among others as an alias on occasion to hide from the local musicians union.

The band operated under the name Whitehorse in the union clubs. The band was caught and fined working with fake non union contracts to the point they had to leave San Diego and settle on the name Whitehorse.  The band became Whitehorse on a permanent basis around May of 1974

Mick was not the original guitarist. We met Mick April 5, 1973. He replaced G.S. the first guitarist, and Kim Sherman, the fill in guitarist, Winter of 1973 after pretending to be David's guitar roadie so G.S. would not get wise he was being replaced.

Mick Mars and Eddie Van Halen occasionally shared the same bill as Whitehorse and Mammoth (early VanHalen) crossed paths quite often along the club circuit in 1974.

The whole band was stranded in freezing temperatures in the Mottley Van for 16 hours and nearly froze to death Feb. 25, 1974. Mick's face became frozen to the van's tile floor. Someone offered to piss on his head but we melted snow to free him instead.

Mick and Jack built the upside down drum riser to be a diversion to blowing Mick to smithereens on stage. Mick's biker buddies helped Jack finish the welding.

The first upside down drum performance on planet earth was December 23, 1974 at Big John's in Long Beach Ca.

As well as being a world renown musician Mick is a tremendously gifted comedian.

Mick Mars hates to be out in the sun because he freckles.

Sites we link to
The Flying Circus


Baja Progressive Rock Festival

Camel Productions

Gentle Giant

Motley Crue

Progressive Ears


Listen to original tracks
I have many original tracks of White horse with Mick. More posted soon..
Little known facts about the band
Bob Deal's first attempt at a stage name was Zorky Charlemagne.
Why the van in the logo
The original tour van is alive and well

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Mick Mars
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See Pics

Never before seen
Mick Mars photos

Read more about me and Mic back in the Whitehorse days... See a segment from the 1984 interview from my living room.

See the ' VH1 Driven Motley Crue' segment on Mick Mars.

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